Aspergers and Sexual Restraint | Autism PDD

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Again I agree with what you've said.  BUT Matthew is very open with EVERYONE....to him there are 'no strangers.'  He trusts everyone and he has no idea what I'm saying when I say "no one is allowed to touch" etc...  He just does NOT understand that as of yet.

Every single time I take him to the park, store, library, theme parks...anywhere at all I cannot count the number of times I have had to apologize to someone because Matthew has reached up and grabbed hold of their hand, arm, back, leg,...anything he can reach.  And by grabbed, I mean like he would me...reaching up to hold on to their hand or arm as he's walking and they are passing by us.  He just doesn't understand the concept of strangers or not touching or letting people touch him that he doesn't know. He knows that I'm his mommy and no other woman is...but it doesn't stop him from grabbing the lady's hand in front of us at the check out.  He knows who his daddy is yet it didn't stop him from sitting on a strange mans lap very recently at one of the shows we were at....just walked over and sat down

By the way, Matthew is never alone either and when he's home he's always with myself or daddy so yes right now I am able to keep him from those sort of situations.  But when he's at school, I don't know if he's always with more than one adult.......and face it predators don't always get caught, there very well could be a predator at school that no one is aware of.  And when he's older and I have to let him go out and be in the world...well who knows what or who might take advantage of him.  And yes again I know that it happens to NT people too all the time.  BUT an NT person is much more able to understand what is wrong and is able to let someone know and if possible scream and yell and fight when something is happening that shouldn't.  The way Matthew is now...as strong as he is even now.....he doesn't understand what is wrong and he doesn't understand that he should yell and fight and call for help....he would be easily convinced that what the person is doing to him is ok because they say so.

Now I probably sound paranoid to all of you.....and I'm really not.  Matthew goes to school and I trust they are taking care of him...I pray they are taking care of him.  And when he's older, even if he's still so delayed that he just doesn't 'get it', I will do everything I can to help him lead a FULL life to the best of his ability.   But I'm realistic enough to know that because of his delays, he is a much easier target than an NT child.

MomtoM, remember that you are laying a foundation right now.  Matthew does not understand about who is and is not appropriate to reach out to, but he likely will, as he matures.   The more you work with him and teach him, the less anxiety you will feel.  My point is that worrying about predators does nothing to protect your child, but there are steps you can take that do. 

I also do not mean to dismiss the concerns of parents of ASD kids, but to remind us that all parents need to be mindfull of this issue.  No parent can just assume that his child will be able to fend off harmful sexual advances.  Every parent must turn fear into action and lay a solid foundation for his child's future freedom, no matter the degree of freedom/independence.

[QUOTE=KPdearest4]It is sad that the world has come to this that we fear the future of our children based on sickos and weirdos out there (no offense meant by the words - I mean those who crave on the vulnerable)[/QUOTE]

The world has always been a place where all children are vulnerable.  What has changed is that sexual molestation used to be hush-hushed and now it is publicized.  All children are dependent on the care of adults and all are also vulnerable to abuse.  Don't for one minute imagine that things were better in "the good old days" because sexual abuse has always been around.

I suppose that ASD kids might be more vulnerable because of a trusting nature and naivete from delayed social development.  Some ASD kids, though, have fantastically developed "alarm bells" (i.e. screaming.)  Many NT kids are trusting and quiet and are just as open to possible wrongdoing.  My point is that ALL kids need to be educated (at appropriate maturity levels) about what is and is not OK regarding their bodies.

My NT son is 6.  He is in the stage where he loves to mention poop and body parts, etc.  I have not told him about the concept of sexual abuse but I do tell him often that only he is allowed to touch his penis.  Then I add, "The only adults who are allowed to touch your penis or tushy are mommy and the doctor.  No one else is allowed to touch.  No one."  We talk about privacy, too.  I try to be aware of when he is expressing a need for it, because his ability to clearly express this is still maturing.  I take many opportunities in our everyday life to show him privacy in action.  These little ways are solid foundation builders to a child developing a healthy and safe sexual life.  Sexual predators (BTW, usually someone familiar to the child, not someone leaping out of the shadows) are very much less likely to find fertile ground for their sexual advances in a child who has a strong sense of who is allowed to touch them - and to whom they can safely go if someone does.

My pre-verbal child, Alex, has no sense of privacy (yet), etc. so, of course, we always know who is with him.  If he is not at school, he is with one of his parents.  

A child's best protection against sexual predators is  a set of parents who talk with their child about his body and about sexual feelings.  Again, at developmentally appropriate levels.  Very important, as well - A child who has love and warmth and caring listeners at home is much, much less likely to respond to inappropriate offers of "love and affection" from questionable sources.

Thank you all for your wisdom and words. And yes, the title of my post is about Aspergers but I ask about ASD generally and sexual restraint within the post. I'm particularly interested in hearing about Aspergers individuals and the connection, if any, to sexual issues, but I am interested in also learning about sexual restraint issues of all ASD kids too. Yes -- it usually is someone known to the person, not a stranger.  A couple relatives, and a couple people I knew either in school or institutions (not staff in my case, although staff frankly did things that were worse to me than molestation), did touch me inappropriately, but never strangers.

PDD kids do tend to improve with time. If they never improve to the point where they can be out alone, then the fact that they are never alone helps. I know my son will be in the malls alone one day, and I shudder, but I'm not sure he'll be at greater risk because he's very leery of going with people he doesn't know. At any rate, it's a scary fact that kids are abused and sometimes by those they trust the most. All we can do is teach them what we teach our NT kids. One in four kids are abused or so I've read. That's enough to make any parent nervous.

MomNos39081.5190972222One good VISUAL way to teach different degrees of appropriate intimacy is by using a target with several circles.  The "bull's eye" is the child himself.  He is allowed to touch himself wherever. The next circle are the parents.  They have the next level of intimacy (put a photo of you and some symbols that show what degree of physical affection is appropriate).  The next level are siblings, the next close friends, the third babysitters and teacher....you get the idea.  Use many photos of people your child doesn't know to symbolize strangers and the slashed circle symbol around pix of affection to indicate no degree of affection is appropriate with strangers.  This is a VERY useful tool for many kids.My son seems to have no interest in sex. He's a young teen. I post on a board where Aspies post. They talk about sex. None say they can't control themselves. Most wish they got it more often. Some are virgins (these are young adults). If anything, I'd say ASDers are less apt to act out sexually than other people. Also, your ASD child's understanding of people will improve, no matter where he or she is on the spectrum. Sex and drug use is one thing I nevre worry about with my son. He wouldn't go off with a stranger either. I worry more about my NT daughter in these areas.

[QUOTE=MomNos] Also, your ASD child's understanding of people will improve, no matter where he or she is on the spectrum. [/QUOTE]

I'm sorry but that is not something you can say with all certainty...there are no absolutes most especially in my opinion when you are talking about the progress or lack of in an ASD child.  I am thankful though that Matthew does indeed show signs of progress everyday.  I do believe he will one day and perhaps soon understand when I tell him about strangers and the appropriateness of touching...but RIGHT now he doesn't and as I said there IS the possiblity that he won't ever understand (but I think and hope he will).

Tzoya, that really is a great idea.  Unfortunately for some (and my ds is one) it isn't just a question of him understanding WHO is appropriate to allow to touch or for him to touch.  Its a matter of him understanding what a stranger is or why its not ok, etc..  He would not understand your chart...at all

As I said though he IS progressing all the time in all areas...so I think he will come to understand the concept.  My whole point in the discussion is that some will never understand...those are the facts.  And they are scary, very scary facts...that a parent cannot help but be concerned with.

momtoMatthew39081.3770601852Actually, I have never heard any evidence that Asperger's people lack sexual restraint.  Quite the opposite.  Those who have difficulty being around others and don't WANT friends (this is not true of all AS people but of many) have no desire to form sexual relationships anymore than they have a desire to form any other sort of social relationship.  Of course, some AS people DO desire social relationships and TRY to form them but are awkward at forming them.  AS makes it VERY, VERY difficult for a person to "read" other people.  Most sufferers from AS simply don't understand body language and are socially VERY clumsy, to say the least.  It is possible that under certain circumstances an AS person might make an unwanted sexual advance simply because he misreads the other person.  But there is NO underlying sexual issue that comes along with AS.  If ADHD is also a factor, there may be an impulsivity issue, but that is tied to the ADHD, not the autism.well, actually, was I was refering to was that the person not be able to control the urges long enough to put a condom on under the heat of the moment.  I can only speak for my DH on this topic, he is AS.  He has restraint but when he can't release sexual feelings when they arise, it effects his mood greatly.  He can become moody and very depressed.

He would never rape someone because of lack of restraint, but he may be moody and depressed if is rejected or can't relieve the tension himself so to speak.
Many people may say that this goes for all men though

It is just at a different level than for most with my husband.
well i know for my as uncle who is same age as me, its not an issue. hes very passive, not involved with most persons. hes been on one date in hs becus my dad pushed him into it. it was a disaster. and the desire isnt there. he cant look his mom in the eyes, to him the closeness would be almost painful. not to say he doesnt wish/want that, not to say he doesnt get frustrated or depressed, but restraint isnt even in question.Condoms.  I asked about that during the sex ed course.  What the sex ed expert said (she has worked with institutionalized adults on the spectrum) is that these people were taught, from the time they can get an erection and ejaculate, to USE A CONDOM during masturbation. This makes the experience less icky from a sensory point of view (the condom catches the sticky stuff -- sorry if this is too graphic, but it's an important point for those with SID) and it become ROUTINE.  ASD people tend to be creatures of habit, almost to the point of OCD in some cases. So if someone at any functioning level of ASD is TAUGHT to use a condom every time he ejaculates, he will know to put one on before the sex act.  Of course, condoms need to be available, but if a boy is taught to use one during masturbation, they should be readily available to him at all times.  I have a girlfriend who taught her adolescent boy how to put one one using a cucumber to demonstrate.  I am a little too squeemish for that and my husband is moreso.  Fortunately, there's a doctor at our autism center who will do the honors (the center takes our insurance, whew).I understand, MomtoMatthew, but sterilization does nothing to protect our kids from molestation.  Protecting our children from molestation is an entirely different conversation than the one about sterilization.

[QUOTE=momof566]well, actually, was I was refering to was that the person not be able to control the urges long enough to put a condom on under the heat of the moment.  [/QUOTE]

This describes many, many, many, many, many people in the world!!!! 

My Asperger's BIL had very little sexual experience before he got married ~40.  He and his wife have one child.  They are actually quite a boring, normal family (like us) and I am glad that my BIL is able to experience the adventure that is parenthood.  Men in general get "all pent up" in a way that women just cannot fathom.  I don't see that ASD men have that urge any stronger than anyone else.  The question is, can a person be a good father?  In my BIL's case, the answer is "yes," but I seriously doubt that my MIL would have said so when her son was a child.  He had a terribly difficult childhood and teenage life. 

My point is that ASD people change and mature, just like all people.   And their sexual judgement changes and matures, as well.  Many ASD people make wonderful parents.

I just want to say to the original poster that your title is asking about Asperger's and sex but your post also asks about ASD individuals and sex.  ASD  (autism spectrum disorder) is the WHOLE spectrum...be they Aspergers or Autistic.  Be they higher functioning or lower functioning.

My fear is more that someone could convince my ds who is currently completely clueless about 'that area,' that it is ok for them to touch him, play with him, and/or engage him in those activities.  That they would convince him that it is THEIR right to do those things and he HAS to let them if they want to.

Right now, ds is not capable of understanding no matter how many different ways I attempt to teach him that it is NOT ok to have those things happen.  Eventually I pray he will be able to grasp that, but there is always the possibility that he won't ever understand.

momtoMatthew39080.2710185185Ruth - I know how you feel, Junior loves to be affectionate and tries to do anything to make people happy. It is sad that the world has come to this that we fear the future of our children based on sickos and weirdos out there (no offense meant by the words - I mean those who crave on the vulnerable)My son is best described as middle functioning.  As such, he is not now, even at age 15, ever out of the sight of many adults who are charged with educating him or caring for him in some way. Unless the whole group of them conspires to molest him, he will never be in a situation where there is a possibility of molestation at this age.  When he is a full-fledged adult, I seriously doubt that anyone will be able to convince him to do something he doesn't want to do.  After all, he weighs about a hundred pounds more than the average person.  Will he be convinced by someone to have sex?  Perhaps. If he enjoys it and is protected from disease, that is OK by me.  At some point in his adulthood, I believe my son should be able to CHOOSE whether he wants sex or not. I worry that he might approach another girl and get too famliar with her and get in trouble that way, but I never worry that someone else will force sex on him.  He is not independent enough for that to ever happen in secret.  For the most part, I or my husband are always with him.  He is never left home with a sitter.  Any respite he attends is group.  He is independent in the bathroom and in the shower and in dressing, so there is no reason for another person to be with him in those situations.

Oh I Agree

Although Matthew doesn't crave touch, he is very loving, always giving hugs and kisses... and he really enjoys pleasing others, making others happy by doing what they ask/demand of him.  The idea that someone would use that very thing to hurt him is what gives me such an absolute feeling of terror.

I am relatively new to understanding ASD. I don't understand the connection someone has made about ASD individuals and the inability to sexually restrain themselves. Can someone please explain to me how and why ASD, even if it is Aspergers, can cause difficulty with sexual restraint? If a child has sensory issues and craves touch at the age of 2, is it probable that he will have problems with sexual restraint as an adult? Should I worry even if he is getting OT for it? And can the problem more or less predictable with the age at which the child can be potty trained? In other words if an ASD boy is potty trained at 2 1/2, does this necessarily show he can exercise self restraint?
Sorry if my questions sound ridiculous. I really don't know much about this aspect of ASD. I'm still learning.
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