Vineland Adaptive Behavior Scale Scores | Autism PDD

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I have given the Vineland to students and done it on my own ASD son and never have I seen anyone score above 10thpercentile on anything!  I don't put any stock in it.  You know what your child can do!!

Didn't make it to the IEP today.  What are the chances that ALL 7 of us would get a stomach virus the night before?  Well really one started it on Sat night, but the other 6 of us came down with it between the hours of 2 and 10 PM yesterday.  My MIL's great she had taken the day off for the IEP and now she's staying to baby us all.  Friday's the new date for the IEP 

Bill

Thanks guys.  My district has been very very good wth us with Liv (comin up on 5 years old for her).  We're just gathering our arguments in case they don't see Grace (almost 3) the way we do.

It's a quandery right now because the town has a special ed 1/2 day preschool, and the area also has an excellent full day autistic program. We feel it would be best for her (ahem,sorry slipped on the lingo... She NEEDS) the full day because she needs work on her language and socialization skills that would not be fully met by the 1/2 day program.  We can reevaluate her progress after 6 months.  The other fantastic thing is that the two programs exist in the same building, so if they want to transition her slowly over, it can easily be done. 

Sorry, just practicing.  Tomorrows the IEP, thanks for the support,

Bill

livsparents39209.2911111111Every child is different (haven't you hear that before, LOL?)  However, it's typical that kids at any point on the Spectrum score lower on a Vineland than on an IQ test.  You should compare a Standard Score on the Vineland to a Standard Score on an IQ test.  If the IQ is 100 (the dead average standard score), a score of 100 on the Vineland would mean that your child is totally average in intelligence and also totally average in her ability to APPLY her intelligence (that's what an adaptive test like the Vineland measure -- functional skill, not academic skill).  Typically, though, a child with an ASD who scores 100 on an IQ test will score 70 or below on an adaptive test. This is in the borderline MR range of practical ability. Don't panic. This is a good thing in a way because it shows that the school has to step in an focus on helping your child APPLY the academics she's learning.  I don't know how the percentiles correlate with standard scores, but I'm pretty sure they mean she'll be score in the below 60 range, which means her ability to apply her knowledge in life is SIGNIFICANTLY IMPAIRED.  Very typical, even for Asperger's kids.  What the school has to explain to you is what subtests she did poorly on and what goals on her IEP could address these issues. That's the beauty of testing. It tells you EXACTLY what your child's weaknesses are and where the school should put its effort. If most of the low scores are in the communication area or if her speech/language if very impaired, I'd also ask for a nonverbal IQ test, which will test her INTELLIGENCE, not her LANGUAGE ABILITY. 

Yes, the 25th percentile through the 75th percentile represents 68% of anything being plotted on a Bell Curve.  What is important to know in this instance is how to compare an IQ score to an adaptive score and what the two each tell you.  If there is a huge difference between the two, that is typical of kids with ASD and shows exactly why efforts to help kids generalize their learning is key and why schools who say "he's doing so well academically" are missing half the picture. If a child is in danger of losing his classification, I'd ALWAYS ask for a Vineland. In fact, I'd get an outside eval of a Vineland done at MY expense. That way, the school wouldn't even be involved and the academic bias of a school situation won't be factored in.  It's important to show how kids who are getting A's in Algebra STILL need special services because they can't make change, for example.

We're going through our evaluations in preparation for our youngest's IEP meet on Tuesday.  First the vent:  Nothing like waiting till the last minute to schedule this thing, her B-day's on the 12th; we did not receive the last eval until Friday!  Having been through this befor with Liv, we know the score and no-one's railroading us into something that will not work with Grace.

Alright, back to the question.  Grace scored seemingly very low percentile wise on the various Scales on the Vineland AB scale.  The best was a 16th percentile for Daily living skills, the rest were 6% down to less than 1%, with the overall ave or 2%.  My question is, what does it all mean?  Are these 'average' scores for someone who is PDD-NOS for lack of another term?

Thanks and sorry for taking so long to finally start posting here.  You guys seem to be all over educational issues.  I'll help where I can. thanks, Bill

I can give you standard score ranges based on percentage.

16% falls in the standard score range of 80-90 low average

6% falls in the standard score range 70-80 low

1-2% falls in the standard score range of 60-70 very low

less than 1% correalates with a standard score of 50 or less

I am working on getting my sped ed credential and we got a very handy bell curve chart in my assessment class.  It really helped me understand my dd's scores

Thanks for this topic, the questions and the answers!
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